1 BEFORE THE CALIFORNIA STATE BOARD OF EQUALIZATION 2 450 N STREET 3 SACRAMENTO, CALIFORNIA 4 5 6 7 8 REPORTER'S TRANSCRIPT 9 DECEMBER 14, 2016 10 11 12 13 14 15 FINAL ACTIONS 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 REPORTED BY: Kathleen Skidgel 28 CSR NO. 9039 1 1 P R E S E N T 2 3 For the Board of Equalization: Fiona Ma, CPA 4 Chairwoman 5 Diane L. Harkey Vice Chair 6 Jerome E. Horton 7 Member 8 Sen. George Runner (Ret.) Member 9 Yvette Stowers 10 Appearing for Betty T. Yee, State Controller 11 (per Government Code Section 7.9) 12 Joann Richmond 13 Chief Board Proceedings 14 Division 15 For Board of 16 Equalization Staff: Grant Thompson Tax Counsel IV 17 18 ---oOo--- 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 2 1 450 N STREET 2 SACRAMENTO, CALIFORNIA 3 DECEMBER 14, 2016 4 ---oOo--- 5 MS. MA: Okay. Ms. Richmond? 6 MS. RICHMOND: So our next -- 7 MS. MA: Can we take a five-minute break? 8 Oh. Are you good? 9 MR. HARKEY: Are we ready? 10 MS. MA: Okay. Let's keep going. We have 11 two more items and then one case on submission. 12 MS. RICHMOND: Yes. So would you like to 13 take the case that was submitted, next? 14 MS. MA: Yeah, why don't we take the cases 15 up on submission, the first. 16 MR. HORTON: I'm ready. 17 MS. HARKEY: Which one was that? 18 MS. MA: That was the, uh -- 19 MS. RICHMOND: The case that was submitted 20 under -- 21 MS. MA: -- veterans disabilities versus -- 22 MS. RICHMOND: B3. 23 MR. RUNNER: Oh, yeah. Oh yeah. That 24 seemed like it was a long time ago. 25 MS. HARKEY: Yeah. 26 MR. RUNNER: What was it? What number was 27 that one? 28 MS. MA: The first one. 3 1 MS. RICHMOND: B3. 2 MR. RUNNER: What was it? B3. Okay, hold 3 on. I got to get my -- 4 MS. HARKEY: Um -- 5 MR. HORTON: While they're looking, Madam 6 Chair, I just wanted to thank you guys for taking 7 the matter under submission. And to share that 8 while you guys were discussing it, we were tuned in, 9 listening -- 10 MS. MA: Of course. 11 MR. HORTON: -- on our way. And I 12 appreciate the debate. 13 MR. RUNNER: B3. This was the -- 14 MS. MA: Delay. 15 MS. HARKEY: Yeah. This was the 16 500-and-some-odd dollars on the disability. 17 I'll make a motion to support the staff 18 recommendation because I really did think that this 19 was -- 20 MR. HORTON: Second. 21 MS. HARKEY: -- refunded. 22 MS. MA: Okay. Motion by Ms. Harkey, 23 seconded by Mr. Horton, to adopt staff 24 recommendation. 25 Without -- 26 MR. RUNNER: I vote no. 27 MS. MA: Okay. 28 MR. RUNNER: I think -- I think there was 4 1 clear confusion on the fact that -- 2 MS. HARKEY: I don't doubt that. 3 MR. RUNNER: -- on the taxpayer. So I -- 4 I'm not comfortable, so I'll vote no. 5 MS. MA: Okay. So 4-1, with Mr. Runner 6 voting no. 7 MS. RICHMOND: Yes. 8 MS. MA: Okay. Thank you. 9 ---oOo--- 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 5 1 REPORTER'S CERTIFICATE 2 3 State of California ) 4 ) ss 5 County of Sacramento ) 6 7 I, Kathleen Skidgel, Hearing Reporter for 8 the California State Board of Equalization certify 9 that on December 14, 2016 I recorded verbatim, in 10 shorthand, to the best of my ability, the 11 proceedings in the above-entitled hearing; that I 12 transcribed the shorthand writing into typewriting; 13 and that the preceding pages 1 through 5 constitute 14 a complete and accurate transcription of the 15 shorthand writing. 16 17 Dated: December 19, 2016 18 19 20 ____________________________ 21 KATHLEEN SKIDGEL, CSR #9039 22 Hearing Reporter 23 24 25 26 27 28 6